Pub History Society

The Journal is free to members. Non Members can have one for £2.50 which includes inland postage. Overseas please a £1. Cheques payable to the Pub History Society - send to 15 Hawthorn Rd, Peterborough, UK, PE1 4PA.

Issue 1 is still available for the same price.

Trouble House Inn, Tetbury, Gloucestershire - an update.

In the 1^st issue of the Journal we were fortunate enough to have Ken Murray write about his experiences of researching one of Britain's most haunted pubs. Ken lives in New York but has been back over here looking for more stories.

He writes:-

Steve, To follow up on my article on Trouble House in Gloucestershire, in your first issue. Since writing this article I have revisited Tetbury and spent some time visiting local churches, ancient pubs and people who have lived at Trouble House. We have made some major breakthroughs on my HAREWELL ancestors, and incredibly it appears that the legend of the Phantom Hound of Jackament's Bottom may have some credibility... one of my g-g-grandmother's brothers was killed at Jackament's Bottom when he was run over by a wagon... his uncle and aunt were in residence at Jackament's at the time. I have also accumulated some good info about other pubs in the vicinity.

Can't wait to get over there again to check this out.

Cheers

Ken Murray in New York

Social Calendar.

Following on from the success of our little visit to Birmingham on March 22^nd we have scheduled a visit to some of the most interesting and historical pubs in Hampstead and Highgate (that's in London if you didn't guess). The tour will be on Saturday 14^th June 2003. Society Member Mick Slaughter as usual will be our guide for the day. A full itinerary is available -

Joint Collectors Do!

On the same day is a joint get together in St Neots, Cambridgshire of numerous collectors and enthusiasts. PLEASE NOTE THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL PHS OUTING - included for interest only.

This will be the third Joint Society Meeting starting at 11:30 hrs on Saturday the 14th June at the Bulls Head, Cambridge Street, St Neots, Cambridgshire. It is hoped to have the following societies in attendance: the British Beermat Collectors Society, the British Brewery Playing Card Society, the Association of Bottle Beer Collectors, the Labologists Society and the Brewery History Society. This year we are also hoping for an appearance of Pat Keogh, the new organiser of the Badge Collectors Circle.

ALL ENQUERIES REGARDING THIS JOINT EVENT TO BE DIRECTED TO:-

Mike Johnson, 65 Chandlers, Orton Brimbles, Peterborough, PE2 5YW, tel: 01733 239585,

Email to mike_s_johnson@hotmail.com

Or Maxine Chantry, 22 Nene Road, Eaton Ford, St Neots, PE19 7JY, tel: 01480 381030.

For pub lovers everywhere - a new CD

Chris Robins of New Media-i Ltd was kind enough to let us have a copy of his company's CD ROM, Good Pub & Good Grub Guide to Surrey. The CD takes advantage of interactive digital photography pioneered by New Media-i. The advantage of these CDs (there are several for different parts of the country) is that you get a full 360° X 360° view of the pub - not only can you spin completely around and see what's behind you - you can also spin down to your feet and up to the ceiling. There are also 'still' photos to view other parts of the premises.

Tie all this photography in with lots of information about the pub, the area, menus, beer range and a few local legends and you have yourself a nice little package. So if you're visiting an area you're not familiar with then these CDs might be a good purchase. Available from Amazon and WH Smiths. Visit New Media-i's website for more information at www.newmedia-i.co.uk

Other news

Congratulations to PHS member Janet Pennington who now has a Ph.D in pub history or more properly Inn & Tavern History. Janet has contributed to a publication called The World of the Tavern: Public Houses in Early Modern Europe, which was published a little while ago and looks to be a fairly in depth read. Other authors who have contributed are Judith Hunter and John Chartres. The subject is obviously wide ranging and looks at drinking establishments in Russia, Germany, Austria and Switzerland as well as England. If you feel like a peruse then your local library will be able to find you a copy via the Inter-Library Loan scheme, alternatively you can own a copy for about £45. The ISBN Number is 0 7546 0341 5.

I am sure that Paul Travis of Beer Inn Print www.beerinnprint.co.uk will be able to secure you a copy.

Thanks

My thanks to PHS member Pat Saunders for helping an enquirer find out more about their ancestors in the pub trade in Midhurst. Pat has also sent me a collection of material to be deposited in the PHS Library. Keep it coming….

Help required

Jim Packer, our member from Kent is currently preparing his second volume of Bexley Pubs, the first one was published in 1995. Jim is having a bit of local difficulty finding additional information for the period 1830-1869. An extract from his letter:-

Our local newspapers only start in 1869. Directories which list beerhouse keepers don't note pub names. Excise records for Rochester which would have covered the area don't survive. Met Police Archives have no relevant charge books that record D & D occurrences. British Library / Ordinance Survey can't help with location of Bench Marks on 1^st Ed 25" to the mile maps (Bench marks are surveyors marks and were sometimes attached to pubs). Petty Sessions don't survive pre 1872. All census, directories and Rate Books have all been looked at.

Any ideas of avenues of research would be welcome.

Also - The publication from the 1890's called The Builder had lists of contracts bid for and awarded. Does anyone know where the publication can be viewed and in what format are they - Is there an index or database to search by pub name or place name? Any info please to

Jim Packer, 36 Cowper Close, Welling, Kent, DA16 2JT

A new book

Gary Boudier has completed his second book about pubs in Enfield. Included with Part II comes a free copy of the picture book that compliments Part I. If you haven't seen Part 1 I would certainly recommend a look - A very readable study which stretches to an heroic 350 pages.

For more details I am sure that Gary will fill you in at gary@maryboudier.co.uk

Queries - Can you help - email direct to the enquirer if possible.

A nice general query to start us off!

Hello, my name is Casey Capps. I am a student at Stephen F. Austin State University in Nacogdoches, Texas. I am currently taking a class in club management. We are doing a project on the history of pubs and how they evolved into the current day night club. My group members and I were wondering if you might be able to tell us what was the first known pub, or any other helpful facts. Thanks for your time and we look forward to hearing from you.

Casey

caseycapps45@hotmail.com

Cricketers Pub, Stonham Aspel, Stowmarket, Suffolk.

I have bought a house which used to be a pub until the forties and I would really like to find out more about the history or locate archive pictures, can you help or point me in the right direction? It was the Cricketers Pub, Chapel Lane, Forward Green, Stonham Aspel, Stowmarket, Suffolk, built in 1630.

Thanks and regards

Will Evans

will@wolffevansdesign.com

Halfway House, A62 - and the Dick Turpin connection

I am trying to find out more about the halfway house pub on the A62. I would be grateful for any information regarding dates, occupants and especially if there is any evidence to suggest Dick Turpin ever visited the pub.

heids25@hotmail.com

Fisherman's Rest, Dover and that elusive Scarlet Pimpernel

I'm doing a report and was wondering if you could help me. Would you happen to know anything about a overnight pub in Dover in the 1700's called The Fisherman's Rest.

This particular pub is mentioned in the book I'm reading, The Scarlet Pimpernel.

Thank you for your time

Samantha Kay

Gymrat5@msn.com

Bond St, Leicester

I am trying to find the pub at which my grandfather Robert Allen Tattersall was the licensee. Robert lived between

1879 and 1939. Could be a pub in the Bond Street/East Bond Street area of Leicester. Can you help?

Thanks

Rod Tattersall

rtattersall@optushome.com.au

The many Georges’ of Leicester town

I am researching my family tree and have been told that my Great-Grandfather ,Joseph Morris owned or was the Innkeeper of 3 pubs, one being the George III in Wharf Street, Leicester.

I've found out that the landlady in 1836 was a Mrs Laughton and I've seen an old photo of it in 1902, but what I would like to know if anyone can help is who was the Landlord in 1902?

Is there a list of all the Landlords/ladies that ran it and indeed when was it opened and when did it close down?

Another pub was supposedly in Cranoe which is where I become stuck, because I cannot find any existence of a pub there.

The third location I know nothing about. This would have been around 1900 onwards. I have found evidence of a George V pub in Wharf street about that time but nothing further.

If anyone can help I would be extremely grateful,

Yours hopefully

Trudie Robertson, Granada, Spain.

Trudie.robertson@tiscali.co.uk

Rock Vaults, Menai Bridge

Hello I am tracing my family history and believe that a very distant uncle was the landlord of the Rock Vaults pub at Menai Bridge. I think it used to be literally in the middle of the road but was demolished to make way for a new roundabout. It was near the Anglesey Arms. The time period in question is the late 1890's and I think the surname would be Evans, Thomas or Roberts.

Thank you.

Judith Spurr

spicer.spurr@btopenworld.com

The Wiltshire Arms, Bishopsgate

I have a pewter beer jug engraved with my great grandfather's monogram, [C]harles [W]yatt, and the name of his pub, The Wiltshire Arms, which was in Sun Street off Bishopsgate, London. It may have been demolished during the building of Liverpool Street Station. I have consulted some online experts on nineteenth century London pubs, but none has been able to confirm the existence of this establishment.

Maybe you can?

twyatt@iim.csic.es

Water jugs

I am wondering if you could help me, I am currently writing an article for 'Collect It' magazine about the collecting of water jugs as my Dad is a great enthusiast, not to mention a great fan of decent whiskey and proper beer, but I am finding historical details quite hard to come by and would greatly appreciate it if you could help me out with any contacts which I may find useful.

Thanks in advance

Rory Haddock

photorory@fsmail.net

Bar room design

Hi Steve, where could I find any pictures of an old English coach inn type bar/snug, we are thinking of turning our games room into a "pub" for home use so nothing big, a bar, couple of tables and wall seat...We live in Western Australia so any pictures you could help us with would be very much appreciated,

Regards

Beryl Eissens

eissens@tnet.com.au

Elephant & Castle and the Aldgate Pump

Can anyone help please.I'm trying to find any books or literature about The Elephant and Castle pub in that area.

Also the Aldgate Pump in Aldgate. In trying to trace my family history I have been told an ancestor called Piper used to be the landlord of these pubs in the 1800's.

Any clues

annkeepsakes@aol.com

A London Drum

I was wondering if you could help me....

I would like to know if there was a pub in London around 1723 called the Drummer (or some reference to a drum).

I don't know if you would have access to this information to be able to help me, or if you could recommend a way for me to find out.

Thank you in anticipation for your help

Donna Smith

dsmithis@yahoo.co.uk

White Bear, Bristol

I am a 3rd year student at UWE and am currently researching pub culture for my final project. I am looking into the White Bear, St. Michaels Hill, Bristol and was wondering whether you know of or have information on the history of the pub.

Any help would be grateful

Joanna Dimsey

gorgeousdimmer@hotmail.com

Running Horse and the Goat, Sunbury

Hello, I've recently been tracing my ancestors and discovered that my great-great-grandfather, his brothers and his mother had the license for the Running Horse, Sunbury in the 1870's until after the turn of the century and The Goat,

Sunbury in the 1880's. I was wondering if you had any information relating to these houses. The family name was Chambers.

Thanks

Dave Roughley

bertthejanitor@hotmail.com

Town of Ramsgate Pub

Your website was such a nice find! My husband and I are beginning the long search of his family history, which included his grandparents' ownership or management (not sure which) of the Town of Ramsgate Pub before and during the early 1970's. He lived there with them at one point (early 70;s) when quite young but has virtually no family support system now to acquire even basic information. Where do you recommend we begin to find out if/when they owned it and/or managed it, and any other details that would assist us in our journey for family history?

Again, thank you for your website and assistance

Dawn Long Bowling Green, Kentucky USA

dawn.long@insightbb.com

The Rose and Crown, Westminster

I am trying to find out some information about an Inn called "The Rose and Crown". It would be such a common name!

My late husband's ancester was Baptised in 1831 at St. James, Westminster. His parents were Ann and John SOUTH and John's Occuption was given as "Stable Keeper" and their address was "The Rose and Crown" ? (Cannot read the name of the Street).

I wonder if you have any idea where this may have been, please. Some of the addresses on the photocopy of the Baptism Register are: Jermyn Street, Conduit Street and Portland Street.

Any help you may be able to give me would be much appreciated.